Nothing Can Happen, Ever
Posted: February 6, 2009 at 9:00 am | Tags: 9/11 truth, 911, conspiracy theory, LiesOne of the silliest arguments truthers make for 9/11 being this BIG conspiracy is that at no time in history has an large office building collapsed due to fire.
Of course this is mind numbingly duncical in myriad ways. For one, the idea that something could not have happened the way it did simply because it never happened before is down right childish and defies any rational logic. I guess in the truther world NOTHING can happen, everything must have a first time.
In the truther world the passenger jet that had to ditch in the Hudson river could not have happened! At no time in the past had a jet like that landed in water without breaking apart. So I guess the Hudson river emergency landing must have been an Inside Job or a holographic hoax, and all those people who saw it with their own two eyes? just government shills. The Moon landing? Yeah never happened before ergo a giant government hoax. Same with the Titanic, the break-up of the space shuttle and countless other never before events.
What is amazing is these people will repeat this ludicrous observation never once sitting down to think exactly how stupid it is. To your average brain dead conspiracy loon type this is powerful incite. To the rest of us it’s sad statement on our education system.
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There is a reason it has never happened in the past. The reason is that simple office fires cannot produce the heat necessary to destroy hardened steel assemblies. Fire can burn the rugs, burn the walls, burn the doors but cannot make a dent on hardened steel. Steel melts at 1500 C. At around 700 C, which is a raging inferno, steel alone will lose 50% of its structural integrity. Most steel however is interconnected which draws away a lot of the heat and in buildings is frequently protected thermally against fire and most buildings have sprinkler systems. There are cases where flames can reach very high temperatures in the short term if you have a backdraft or the fire hits a pocket of gas but these short term spikes in temperature have little chance to affect the steel assemblies in a building. The only sad statement about our education today is that apparently, you were asleep during physics class. Wake up ostrich. Madrid. Beijing. Get a clue.
WTC 7 had no plane hit it. Had no jet fuel. The fires were so weak they barely made it over to the other side of the building. Eyewitnesses on the scene reported that there was an actual countdown before the building was pulled. Weak fires and light asymmetrical damage cannot produce a complete symmetrical collapse. Had the damage been real it would have fallen over on its side. Had it been a real collapse instead of a controlled demolition we would see 47 pancaked floors instead of crumbled debris. 100% inside job.
Link1:
link to the video “from living room to inferno in under 2 minutes”
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/682670/from_living_room_to_inferno_in_under_2_minutes/
Copy paste from my response to Boris, in case you didn’t read it 2 months ago:
I can’t believe that in 2008 there are still people who bring the “steel melting point” argument.
Steel start to lose shape at 350°C and softens already at 500°C. A proof is, among many, a written document from Italian Firefighters:
http://www.vigilfuoco.it/speciali/sicurezza/sicurezza_insieme/attivita_studio/pdf/res_fuoco.pdf
Flashfire caused by combustion of simple households appliances can easily exceed these temperatures, and can even reach up to 1000°C, as certified by the same document, many videos and experiments.
Sources:
-the notorious document NRCC-42466 of the National Research Council of Canada, “Role of fire resistance issues in the collapse of the Twin Towers” (you can google NRCC-42466, it’s the first result). It features an interesting table at pag.8, “Variation of strength and Modulus of Elasticity of Structural Steels of with Temperature”.
-the fire curve for cellulose materials (ISO 834 curve); you can google “ISO 834 curve” to read it, it is the model commonly used to model fires in civil buildings in normal ventilation conditions.
-the document from the Italian Firefighters, “La Resistenza al Fuoco delle Strutture d’Acciaio Dotate di Rivestimenti Protettivi (”Fire Resistance of Steel Structure with Protective Coating”). Ok, this is a bit unfair to quote as it’s an 80 page pdf in ITALIAN where CTRL+C is disabled for copyright reasons
It presents detailed modeling and subsequent test on steel structures with various degrees of fire resistance insulation, consistent with the other documents I quoted above.
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All three building went straight down.. even if the steel melted at 350 C, one of the corners would have given way before the others and caused the builds to fall on their sides. yet all 4 corners of all 3 buildings give way at the EXACT SAME TIMES. You’re in selfish denial if you dont think something is up. Continue to live in ur world where you think this is just as the mainstream paints it, Sheeple. Baaahhhhh!!!
I got news for you, when you are dealing with buildings this size they can not fall over like a tree or something you see in a Godzila movie. They fall towards the pull of gravity, DOWN. Sorry but that is the nature of the physics, if you do not understand it may I suggest a little reading.
Why be a sheepish sucker to a bunch of conspiracy theorist selling you books and DVDs?