Just Asking Questions
I was watching one of the early James Bond movies the other day. It’s amazing how many men the evil villain can get to work for him. All of them loyal to a fault, willing to surly die for whatever plan the good doctor Evil has in store. Completely trustworthy never spilling the beans even on their days off. But how did he get these guys???? Ad in the help wanted page? Maybe they are from some temp service, a henchman for a day thing.
I think the problem with truthers is a lack of intelligence and imagination, they can’t see beyond the fairy tails told to them in countless YouTube videos and conspiracy theory sites. They are told the world is full of evil doers who possess powers beyond belief, just like in the movies. They never try and imaging exactly how one would go about doing what they propose thousands of people did on and before 9/11 in real life. They just wave it off with a “DUH.. I dun know” “I’m just asking questions” They don’t even have the imagination to ask smart questions. YEAH, YEAH I know your mom told you there was no such thing as a dumb question, but she lied to you.
A smart question would be “Why go through the impossible task of trying to arrange a controlled demolition of two buildings, both three times as tall as any known previous controlled demolition?” How would you even try and go about do such a thing? Call or email controlled demolition companies and ask if they could do a implosion job on such and such a date and hope they don’t turn you over to the authorities? You would have to be certain EVERY man from the demolition company is willing to do the job and keep quite after the fact. That kind of thing only happens in those 007 movies.
If you did find such a company how much would you have to pay them? Would that not cut into the profit? or Did the controlled demolition company do it Pro Bono? Would you not maximize your profit and minimize your risk my doing something much simpler and feasible like arrange fires that would damage the building beyond repair? After all there is no reason to believe the towers would have been rebuildable even if they had not collapsed. You could arrange a kickback on the dismantling of the building and it’s reconstitution! To anyone with half a brain doing the controlled demolition thing would be down right foolish. Far too complex, far too many people involved, too much of a chance something could go wrong.
Well, Admin, I’d say that if anyone is caught in fairy tales it is those who believe the official narrative of 9/11 which – in more ways than one, a lot more – happens to be a… yes, you got it right, a fairy tale.
Now, let me stray a bit off topic here. You were supposed to contact me some weeks ago to arrange a phone conference – podcast style discussion of some type. What gives, Admin?
“…happens to be a fairy tale.”
…subjective, undocumented point of view.
But even if this wasn’t the case, on the side of the conspiracy-theorists what do we have? We have a wide range of theories, from futuristic microwave rays, mini-nukes, special adhesive military thermite, and the like.
There is not a documented, organised reconstruction that differs from the official one and is coherent with itself and the elements we have. And while with time and study the technical reconstruction of the 11/9 events has been widely proven as feasible and accepted by the technical authorities, the various conspiracy ones have been proven for the fantasies that they are.
11/9 conspiracy theorism is getting colder and colder, as the rational and intelligent who got caught in its web realise their mistake and leave it; on the other hand only the most blind, intolerant and faith-driven remains among its rank.
Boris, you are among the few that is delaying the decision of which side to choose for quite some time, and I’m still confident you will end up making the honest choice.
What’s really amazing to thinking people who visit this site is that Admin never answers the hard questions. Take a look through the previous posts. Usually Admin insults and tries to use negative association to discredit the truth. Then Admin goes on and on about how ignorant truthers are when in fact truthers are made up of firemen, policemen, ex and current CIA, scientists, ex and current military, people in aviation, architects, and the movement itself continues to grow and demand justice every day. We’re not going away, we’re not kooks, and we’re not the minority anymore either as more and more people realize the government is flat out lying. About the only person still on the government’s side these days is their own controlled press… and of course Admin himself, the final holdout who brings new meaning to the word GULLIBLE.
So Ken name me one structural engineer who has designed anything over say 10 stories. Any scientist who is respected in their field. Funny how these guys a silent when it come to proving their worth with real world.
Sorry Ken but your so called movement is made up of the dregs of society. A sad 4.6% of the tin foil hat wearing population. Only 3.5% if you are educated beyond high school. and this come from a Zogby poll commissioned by a truther group by the way.
And now that Bush is gone you can’t even use dislike for him to drum up members. You guys are good for a laugh I will give you that.
Good for a laugh… we’re not the ones getting shoes thrown at us!
http://www.sockandawe.com/
“Good for a laugh… we’re not the ones getting shoes thrown at us!”
That is because Bush and Co. are almost as big a fools as truthers. And I were not an atheist I would that god Obama is our new president.
So what does that have to do with the fact none of the so called experts you use to enforce you delusional claim have anything close to the talent and skills the REAL experts have? Name me one structural engineer who has designed anything over 10 stories.
As you know my field of expertise comes from working on classified avionics for the FA-18 Hornet in the Marines Corps. I also come from a very large military family. As a family we pretty much agree 911 was an inside job. But you must be an architect right or at least an engineer? So…um, let’s see YOUR B.A. or M.A. license… you do have a license right? You’ve designed buildings over 10 stories yourself right? Let’s have your license number and then maybe you can argue with these guys below. That’s a lot of B.A. and M.A. there. Might want to contact a few folks and get clued in. Double check the accuracy for me. We know in the past that some of you from the “debunker/traitor” crowd managed to corrupt some lists.
Don’t forget… we want your number and if you could please tell us exactly which buildings you designed that were made… so we know which ones use those plastic stretched “Bushian” physics you debunkers throw around as if they’re facts. Those are prone to sudden “collapse” at any time.
Anyway…
Richard Gage, AIA, Architect
Lic: C19220 CA
B. Arch.
S.F. Bay Area, CA
Scott Page, M. Arch / Designer
Berkeley, CA
Alan Tyson Zorthian, Architect
Lic: C22838
B.A.
Altadena, CA
Andus H. Brandt, Architect
Lic: Cal. Architect’s license C27998
B.A. Architecture
Berkeley, CA
Alan S. Glassman, M. Arch., Associate AIA, CSI, SA, Architectural Re
Lancaster, PA
Anne Lee, AIA
Lic: AR-10177 MA
M.Arch
Boston, MA
Andrea Walhof-Grisham, Designer
B.S. Architecture
Truckee, CA
Arlene Hopkins, Architect & Educator
Lic: California (28239) & Nevada (2267)
M.Arch & M.A. Education
Santa Monica, CA
Andrew McClure
B.Arch. VPI & SU
Raleigh, NC
Bruce Richey, AIA, Architect
Lic: Oregon Architect’s License #2618 exp. 6/08
Ashland, OR
C Matthew Taylor, Architect
Lic: South Carolina Architect’s License #AR .4827 I, ex
B.A. Architecture, U. of Cincinnati
Hilton Head Island, SC
Brian Heagney, M. Arch., Architectural Services Provider
M. Arch., Pratt Institute
Greensboro, NC
Charles Ralph Traylor, Architect
Lic: Texas 4179 also NCARB certificate 21435
B Arch Texas Tech
Dallas, TX
Bryan Evan Westgate, M. Arch
M.A.,The Ohio State University
Cleveland, OH
Chris Swigert, Architect
Lic: Calif. Architect License #C27595 1998, exp. 4/09
Oakland, CA
Chad Jones, B. Arch.
B.S. Science (Major in Arch.), WUSTL
St. Petersburg, FL
Christian Mungenast, AIA, Architect
Lic: Massachusetts Architect’s License #8856, exp. 8/08
Arlington, MA
Chris Jung
B. Arch.
Berkeley, CA
Dan Bartlett, AIA
Lic: New Hampshire Architect’s license 2919
B. Arch
Keene, NH
Daniel E. Fairchild, Architectural Consultant
B.A.
Spokane, WA
Daniel B. Barnum, AIA
Lic: TX3741
BArch
Houston, TX
Daniel Saari, Architect
Lic: Arizona Architect’s license 35466
Master of Architecture
Phoenix, AZ
David A. Johnson, Dr., FAICP, Ph.D.
BA (Arch) & MCP, Yale; PhD, Cornell
Asheville, NC
David Crawford, Architect
Lic: Calif. Architect’s License #C24904 1994, exp. 3/09
Walnut Creek, CA Dylan Lamar, Architecture Student, Engineering Intern
BSCE, Univ of Arkansas
Eugene, OR
David Joiner, AIA
Lic: KS 3700
Bachelor of architecture
Shawnee Mission, KS
David A. Techau, AIA
Lic: 12496
BArch-Az. State, MSc, Cornell
Kula, HI
Elwin Wong
B. Arch – Cal Berkeley
Oakland, CA
Dennis R. Holloway, Architect
Lic: New Mexico Architect License #002569
B.Arch., Univ. of Mich., MAUD, Harvard G
Rio Rancho, NM
Felix Goebel, Dipl. Ing (Architektur)
Oakland, CA
Dohn C. Swedberg, Architect
Lic: 2272
B.A. Architecture
Tacoma, WA
Francisco A. Planes, Architectural Consultant, Assoc., A.I.A.
B.S. Architecture, CCNY-CUNY
Bloomfield, NJ
Don Gibbons, Architect
Lic: Calif. Architect’s License #C18058, 1987, exp. 6/0
Pleasant Hill, CA
German Serrano, Architrect
B.A architecture
Lafayette, CA
Donald Ketner, Architect, CCS
Lic: 4688 Alaska
5 year Architecture Penn State
Anchorage, AK
Henri Tso
B. Arch.
Walnut Creek, CA
Douglas Claude Rhodes, Architect
Lic: Montana Architect’s License #1400 exp. 6/08
B.S. Architecture
Whitefish, MT
Ian J. Colburn, B. Arch.
B. Arch., Virginia Tech.
New York, NY
Earl H. Booth, Architect
B.A. of Architecture
Salt Lake City, UT
Eric Douglas, Architect
Lic: NY Architect’s License #031273, exp. 4/09
Howard Beach, NY
Jan Leits, B. Arch.
Berkeley, CA
Erik R. Thorp, Architect
Lic: RI #863
B.Arch, M.Arch, Univ of Penna
Warwick, RI
Jason Wilkinson, B. Arch., LEED AP
B. Arch., University of Oregon
Berkeley, CA
Fred A. De Santo, Architect
Lic: Calif. Architect’s license #C14076
B.A. U of KY 1967
Ukiah, CA
Jeffrey Tam
B. Arch
Oakland, CA
Fred Robinson, Architect
Lic: TBAE Lic. No. 9794
Austin, TX
Justin Feider, Intern Architect
Denver, CO
George E. Clower, AIA, Architect
Lic: 3187 TX; C27943 CA
BA & BS in Architecture
Corpus Christi, TX
Karlene Gullone
B. Arch
San Francisco, CA
Grazyna Samborska, Architect
Lic: Pennsylvania, RA011873X; AIA, 30081786 (Phil.)
Masters Arch, Polytechnic Univ, Gdansk,
Cherry Hill, NJ
Keenan May, Intern Architect
B. Arch.
Seattle, WA
Haluk Akol, Architect & Structural Engineer
Lic: Calif. Architect License #C2670 1959, exp 6/09
Lafayette, CA
Ken Hutchinson
B. Arch.
Eugene, OR
Irwin Luckman, Architect (retired)
Lic: Retired
B. Arch.
Oakland, CA
Kevin M. Hoelscher, M. Arch.
Master’s of Architecture
Berkeley, CA
Jacques Fauteux, AIA
Lic: 1839 Masachusetts
Bachelor of Arch., Oklahoma University
Hubbardston, MA
Kristen Kepner-Coleman, B. Arch.
Bachelor of Architecture, Auburn Univers
Atlanta, GA
James Jorgensen, Architect
Lic: Calif. Architect’s License #C28802, exp. 6/09
B. Arch
Healdsburg, CA
Kurt Worthington, Urban Planner
M. Arch
San Francisco, CA
James Peter Leritz, Architect
Lic: C20166 CA
B.Arch., U. Illinois; M.Arch., GSD
San Francisco, CA
Michael Reuter, Architectural Professional
Berkeley, CA
James Martin Tomlin, Architect
Lic: Calif. Architect’s License #C29398, exp. 6/09
B.Arch., 1988, Cal Poly San Luis Obispo
Fresno, CA
Mojgan Saberi, BS Arch., Designer
Oakland, CA
Jeff Arnold, Architect
Lic: Calif. Architect’s License #C17214 1986, exp. 5/09
Orinda, CA
Oscar Cisnero, Architectural Professional
Antioch, CA
Jeffrey S. Orling, Architect
Lic: NY 015625
B. Arch.
Mount Vernon, NY
Reed Simpson, M. Arch. Associate AIA
Master of Architecture University of Kan
Overland Park, KS
Jeffrey Way, R.A.
Lic: 4535
Bachelor of Architecture
Washington, DC
Reuben Gene Walters, Assoc. AIA
Bachelor of Architecture
Palm Springs, CA
Jim Bedinghaus, Architect
Lic: Florida Architect’s License #AR0010707, exp. 2/09
St. Petersburg, FL
Rex Sucaldito, B.S. Arch / Designer
B.S. Arch
Lake Worth, FL
Jody Gibbs, Architect
Lic: Arizona 08515
Master of Architecture
Tucson, AZ
Shawn M. Fullington, Designer
B. Arch
Asheville, NC
Joe Bellows, Architect
Lic: Calif. Architect’s License #C7575
Martinez, CA
John Cole, Architect
Lic: Calif. Architect’s License #C19195 1988, exp. 9/09
Walnut Creek, CA
John Eisenhart, Architect
Lic: Calif. Architect’s License #C25743 1995, exp. 4/09
San Diego, CA
Travis Van Brasch, Associate AIA, Design Principal
San Francisco, CA
John K. Gillies, Architect
Lic: Cal Architect’s license C 10299
B. of Arch, UC Berkeley
Del Mar, CA
Wendy Sitler, Designer
B. Arch
Berkeley, CA
John Howland, Architect
Lic: Calif. Architect’s License #C14886 1984, exp. 4/09
Walnut Creek, CA
Will E. Schenck, Intern Architect, Assoc. AIA
B. Arch, B.S.ARCE
St. Louis, MO
John C. Link, Architect
Lic: Calif. Architect’s License #C18873, exp. 7/09
M.Arch.
Berkeley, CA
John Robert Russell, Professor Emeritus Landscape Architecture
Lic: Indiana Landscape Architect’s License # LA80050004
Grad. Dipl. Urban & Reg. Plng. AA London
Bloomington, IN
Karen Renick, NY State License in 1983, though license is now la
M. Arch
Austin, TX
Kathi C. Gregory, CSI, AIA Intern Architect
Lic: 17133 (TN)
Architecture, U Tennessee
Nashville, TN
Keith J. Burns, Architect
Lic: NJ # 21AI01298800
B. Arch.
Warren Grove, NJ
Kenneth Mclean Loretto, Architect
Lic: C-26713
Master of Architecture
Berkeley, CA
Kenneth L. Smith, Architect (licensed)
Lic: C9652 CA
B.Architecture
Forestville, CA
Kerry Lewis McCarthy, Architect
Lic: 2496
B. Arch, U of Oregon
Grand Ronde, OR
Larry Dodge, Architect
Lic: Calif. Architect’s License #C6373 1970, exp. 5/09
B.Arch., Univ. of Minnesota
Minneapolis, MN
Leslie E. Young, Architect
Lic: Cal Architect’s license C 27288
B. Arch
San Francisco, CA
Lionel J. Recio, AIA
Lic: C24692 CA
M.A.
San Francisco, CA
Mark Lee Fitzgerald, Architect
Lic: 11510 – Texas
Master of Environmental Design
Grand Prairie, Tx, TX
Marshall C. Ricker, architect
Lic: or-2176, tn-100249
Afton, TN
Michael E. Balay, Architect
Lic: Indiana Architect’s License #AR00880149
Fishers, IN
Michael C. Coffey, AIA, Architect
Lic: NY Architect’s License #031038, exp. 12/08
New York, NY
Michael Quiana, Architect
Lic: 025237 NY
Bach of Architecture
Beacon, NY
Michael Ryan, AIA
Lic: C-30179
b arch
San Francisco, CA
Mickey Propadovich, Architect
Lic: IL Architect’s License #001009280 exp 11/08
B. Arch, IIT, Chicago, Illinois
Evanston, IL
Mike L. BeDell, Licensed Architect
Lic: 37609 AZ
Barch Cal Poly Pomona Ca.
Tucson, AZ
Nelson L. Johnson, Architect & Civil Engineer
Lic: Calif. Architect’s License #C9585; Calif. Civil En
M. Arch. Columbia
San Francisco, CA
Olga Kahn, Architect
Lic: #7382 MA
M. Arch., M.I.T.
Wellfleet, MA
Oliver William Purcell, AIA, Emeritus
Lic: Retired
B., Arch. 1961
Edmond, OK
Osvaldo Valdes, Architect, NCARB
Lic: NY Architect’s License # 027383 exp 10/10
BA and Masters in Architecture
New York, NY
Paul Adams, AIA, LEED AP
Lic: B-3398
Master of Architecture, CU-Denver
Denver, CO
Paul Asaro, Architect
Lic: c22769
B.A. Architecture
Fair Oaks, CA
Peter Hendrickson, Architect
Lic: Calif. Architect’s License #C10010 1978, exp. 8/09
Santa Rosa, CA
Roger VanFrank, Architect
Lic: Utah Architect’s License #106818-0301 exp 5/08
Salt Lake City, UT
Ronald F. Avery, Architect
Lic: Texas Architectural License #9285
Seguin, TX
Sonne R. Idelshon, Architect, retired
Lic: Retired CA Architect’s license # C-4111
B.A., Arch., Cal Poly U, Pomona; & USC
Pomona, CA
Stephen B. Barasch, AIA, APA, NCARB
Lic: CA. C-9505, AR. 19599, TX. 5514, NCARB
B Arch (U of Ariz), M Arch (Rice Univ.)
San Luis Obispo, CA
Stephen A. Bourne, Architect
Lic: WA – 7219; CA – 28792
B. Arch., University of Cincinnati
Seattle, WA
Ted Elden, AIA – retired
Lic: AIA 30026539 W. VA Architect’s License 1174
B. Arch.
Charleston, WV
Thomas N. Burnham, Architect
Lic: Calif. Architect License #C17138 1986, exp 2009
M.Arch.
San Francisco, CA
Thomas Lyman Chamberlain, AIA
Lic: 30065 CA
San Jose, CA
Thomas Harvey Epps, Architect
Lic: MO A-004652 and CO #306,171
Kansas State University – B. Arch
Carbondale, CO
Tim P. Duffy, AIA
Lic: C-31277
B. Arch.
Roseville, CA
Timothy B. Becher, AIA, Architect
Lic: C29267
B. Arch
San Luis Obispo, CA
Victor Fernando Lopes, Architect
Lic: C-6356
B. Arch. UC Berkeley 1966
Ukiah, CA
Wellington Wells, Architect
Lic: ARC10000875 ME, 1976; Arq. 8612 PR, 1965
M. Arch. Harvard
Peterborough, NH
William Parker Brinnier, Architect
Lic: 16867 NY
B.Arch.
Hurley, NY
William D. Freund, R.A. (Registered Architect)
Lic: NJ Architect license #21AI00906500; AZ Architect #
B.S. Arch, UVA
Sewell, NJ
William Lamar, Architect
Lic: 1161
B. Arch
Little Rock, AR
Willie Pettus, Architect
Lic: CA Architect C23869 exp. 7/31/09
Berkeley, CA
Probably the biggest telling detail about the whole issue is that the conspiracy theorists don’t have a unified, coherent reconstruction of the facts – simply because if they put together the pieces of the puzzle, they would get something which is indistinguishable from the official reconstruction.
But since they base their stories on subjective opinions, they all end up with a different story; they see something they cannot explain with the knowledge at hand, so they choose an alternative theory which at best is as obscure and unverifiable as the “strange” detail it is based on – never mind if the implications of this theory conflicts with the rest of the story.
Conspiracy theorists, get it straight: just because something is unexplained or goes against common sense, this doesn’t automatically make it a conspiracy.
Funny how of ALL those so called engineers Ken listed not a single one has built anything over a story or two.
You should know all engineers are not created equal. Engineers come in many different specialities.
Looking at the Architects & Engineers roster shows this. Of the licensed engineers that have joined, there is a sewer and street designer, a specialist in solar energy and housing, a fire protection engineer, another energy engineer, water resourses and management, a computer engineer, an asbestos consultant, hazardous waste management, industrial wastewater, computer network engineer, process engineering in the natural gas industry, and a chemical engineer. Not exactly the best and brightest in the world of skyscraper design and engineering.
Now Ken, I know you are not that bright and I have tried to keep it simple for your sake, so let try it again
Name me ONE structural engineer who has designed anything over 10 stories who says the WTC were a controlled demolition, Hell let make it 8 stories. Surely you should be able to find Just one.
You see none of ae911truth guys are in the same league as the people used by NIST to investigate the collapse on 9/11. People like this …
Shyam Sunder
William Grosshandler
H.S. Lew
Richard Bukowsk
Fahim Sadek
Frank Gayle (MSEL)
Richard Gann
John Gross
Therese McAllister
Jason Averill
Randy Lawson
Harold E. Nelson
Stephen Cauffman
Ken,
you probably know about the debunker known as Kookloons, who used to call A&E for “truth”, recording the phone calls and posting them on youtube (his account has now been suspended).
He found out that many of those so-called “experts” either suggest extremely… “original” versions of the events, and/or simply didn’t study them in depth, and/or their profession has nothing to do with buildings, demoltions, ecc.
For example, we learn that:
-Donald Ketner still talks about the old “pull it” of Larry Silverstein.
-Earl Booth “appreciates the work of Steven Jones”. Jones is the guy according to who the collapse of the two towers negates the second law of Thermodynamics.
-Fred Robinson simply stated that “he want to know the truth on 11/9″ – enough to enlist him in the bunch;
-Irwin Luckman found Gage’s presentation “convincing” – this is the extent of his involvement.
-Ted Muga, graduated in civil engineering 47 years ago, says that the Pentagon was not hit by an airplane: the airplane saw by witnesses flew over it, right when the bombs placed inside were detonating. Where the plane and its passengers went, he doesn’t say.
…do I have to go on?
(source is http://undicisettembre.blogspot.com)
Uh, Admin, you seem to have forgotten something… where’s YOUR license. Otherwise you fall into your own argument in that YOU are not an expert, just as YOU are not an expert on the military or aircraft fuel temperatures or fighting fires, etc. Or are you? Maybe you just forgot. Oh, and you contacted all of these people did you or perhaps you know all of them personally, is that it? Otherwise how in the hell would YOU know what they have built with their B.A.’s and M.A.’s which YOU have yet to show us. You’re going to show us your license number right? Still waiting Admin.
and you too Emanuele. Post your license. A simple B.A. or a M.A. will do otherwise the TRUTH is that YOU are in the same boat as any observer, which makes you guilty of hypocrisy. All the people I listed have their B.A. or M.A. or work in the field and they are all on the side of us truthers. Whereas with the NIST people you mentioned they are beholden to the government, which makes their testimony very suspect, sort of like asking the wolf how he’s taking care of the flock and trusting his answer. Not a very bright thing to do.
Ken,
I am not an expert myself, but that doesn’t prevent me from listening to what the experts say – experts not because they just hold the title of engineer or architect, but because their professionality in the specific field of civil construction allows them to express technical, informed opinions on those facts.
You see, if someone doesn’t back their opinion with facts, and detailed ones, just bragging about their title is meaningless and constitutes the fallacy of “Appeal to authority” – and consequently is an invalid point.
As for what NIST says, it is technically sound, and if it would have been such a “forgery” to cover what the government did, their peers around the world would have easily found that out – or perhaps they are ALL on the payroll of the US?
I finally take note that you are unaware of the meaning of the word “hipocrisy”.
NIST is G O V E R N M E N T. Everything they say is suspect given that we are talking about an inside job carried out by said government.
What is an inside job? Maybe the readers of this blog can decide if there is grounds for looking for an inside job. On September 11, 2001, the military and NORAD were carrying out exercises that, at the time, were classified. We now know that the exercises in question… “were to simulate what would happen if “terrorists” gained control of airplanes and crashed them into the WTC and other buildings.” That is documented fact. Now if I were in charge of those exercises and on the very same day that those exercises were carried out, real world planes were actually “taken by terrorists” and flown into real world buildings then I would have to admit that my classified exercise had been breached and I had someone on the inside who orchestrated the real world events. I would have to admit that someone in my outfit is a traitor and a domestic enemy. Surely you’re not so naive to suggest it was all a… coincidence – the timing of the event coinciding with the military exercises of the exact same nature?
Most rational, thinking, people wouldn’t accept “a coincidence” as a valid excuse. Most people are NOT that gullible. They’d agree that the possibility of someone on the inside, a traitor, a domestic enemy, is extremely high. Based upon that, they’d question everything else to find places in the story where the lies cannot cover.
This is the same government by the way that carried out the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments that lasted for 40 years, involved hundreds of doctors, and hundreds of victims, until it was discovered. Government kept that secret easily and for a long time.
This is the same government that carried MK-Ultra from the 50′s through the 70′s.
This is the same government that has had on it’s table since the 60′s a plan, floating around the Pentagon and proposed by its top brass, that details creating PHONY acts of terrorism in order to anger the American people to get them to approve wars that otherwise would be unpopular.
And this very same government which was then caught red-handed lying about Weapons of Mass Destruction in order to further the cause of war, which has made many people in the defense and oil industries extremely rich and powerful.
But you say we should throw all of THAT out of the window and simply trust the government’s NIST to tell us the truth?
I ask the readers, who has more credibility, the government and their paid and beholden NIST, or us TRUTHERS who question all we’ve been told?