Active Thermitic Material ??????
Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:09 amAn impressive detailed look by Undicisettembre at the “Peer Reviewed” paper presented by Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan, Danish chemistry professor Niels Harrit that claims to show “active thermitic material” at the site of the World Trade Center.
“Active Thermitic Material” Claimed in Ground Zero Dust May Not Be Thermitic At All
In short Undicisettembre found this supposed super spray on thermite has all the same chemical properties of primers and rust proofing paints used to protect the steel used at the WTC.
It becomes a matter of logic, if you believe people like Jones, Ryan and Harrit you would have to believe massive steel beams were destroyed by a Magic “paint-on” thermite coating only millimeters thick! and that somehow someone was able to gain access to the beams and columns without notice. And that no one before or since has demonstrated the viability of this theory even on a small scale.
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Three guys who are known for their conspiracy theorist views on 9/11, who sell books and who are paid to give talks promoting the conspiracy ideas have created a scientific sounding paper, had it published by a Pay to Publish journal, because no legitimate science journal would touch it, that PAINTS common primer coatings and rust proofing paint as super duper beam melting weapon?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That’s science.
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The Discussion
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“…super spray on thermite has all the same chemical properties of primers and rust proofing paints used to protect the steel used at the WTC.”
No it doesn’t. When examined, a clean surface of the red material lacks zinc, chromium, and magnesium. The composition of the primer paint indicates 20.3% of the pigment is comprised of zinc yellow(ZnCrO4). Figure 7 in the “Active Thermitic Material…” paper shows the chemical composition of the uncontaminated surfaces of the red chips. It lacks zinc, chromium, and magnesium. Figure 6 in the paper shows the surface of the red chips before they are cleaned(i.e. contaminated). They show slight indications of Zn and Cr, but still no evidence of magnesium. Once the chips are broken and a clean surface is examined there is no indication of Zn or Cr. Therefore, these chips do not contain the same chemical composition of the red primer paint.
‘Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That’s science.”
Okay, so what evidence is there to support the government’s explanation for the collapse of the towers?
“Okay, so what evidence is there to support the government’s explanation for the collapse of the towers?”
Read the NIST report, it’s is quite detailed in it’s explanation. And of course you have the fact not one structural engineer with the skills to design things like the WTC question the NIST report. All you have is a few architects who haven’t designed anything bigger than a fast food restaurant.
An Extraordinary Claim would be that someone created a super spray on material that can melt massive beams. Extraordinary evidence? You could prove this stuff is feasible by simple mixing some up and cutting a good size steel beam. Don’t whine, just do it, prove your case.
If you were scientifically literate you would realize if this stuff were real it would contain such massive energy potential it would solve the energy problem!
I was thinking If the government wanted to use counter intelligence on truthers they would do something like get a professor with a rather shaky reputation to propose an ridiculous method of controlled demolition like thermite. By nature the conspiracy theorist types are ignorant so they would pick up the thermite chant and run with it looking foolish to the informed segment of society. Debunker would have no trouble showing how stupid the thermite idea is, but by that time truthers would be so invested in the idea they could not turn back, all they can do is polish the turd by making it Super Nano Spray On. And the truther kiddies now run with that one.
Same with saying Free Fall, Pull It, Small Fires, No Planes, Space Beam weapons and on and on.
I don’t think counter intelligence tactics are needed with the 9/11 Truth goofs because these people are Counter Intelligent to begin with.
“Read the NIST report, it’s is quite detailed in it’s explanation”
No it isn’t. NIST stops their analysis at what they term “collapse initiation.” The actual “collapse”(i.e. destruction) itself is not analyzed.
So are you now arguing that explosive charges cannot blow up buildings and other structures?
“You could prove this stuff is feasible by simple mixing some up and cutting a good size steel beam.”
These are highly engineered nano-composites. But yes, I think the 9/11 Truth Movement would like to know where they came from and would like to obtain large samples. Then such tests could be performed.
“These are highly engineered nano-composites. But yes, I think the 9/11 Truth Movement would like to know where they came from and would like to obtain large samples. Then such tests could be performed.”
Nice Cop out. If you know this stuff exist and know what it is made of then making some would be no problem. Making up stuff to suit your agenda does not cut it in the thinking world.
To re-engineer the red/gray chips would require access to high tech labs and sophisticated equipment. Steven Jones said in an interview that he has no idea how to make this stuff. As the paper states,
“The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like[40nm] structures.”